Windhawk mods for the Windows 11 taskbar

A few weeks ago, Windhawk, the customization marketplace for Windows programs, was released. You can read the announcement blog post for more details and for the motivation behind creating it. One of the sections of the blog post was dedicated to 7+ Taskbar Tweaker.

Regarding the future of 7+ Taskbar Tweaker: It will keep existing as a separate program which supports Windows 7 to Windows 10. As mentioned in a recent blog post, most parts of the taskbar were reimplemented in Windows 11, and 7+ Taskbar Tweaker can’t be made to work with the new taskbar without a huge amount of work. My plan, at least in the short term, is to implement the most demanded customizations for Windows 11 as Windhawk mods.

Below is a table with features that are available in Windows 10 but are missing in Windows 11. Some of the features are part of Windows 10 (marked with the Windows icon icon) and some are part of 7+ Taskbar Tweaker (marked with the Tweaker icon icon). Please vote for the features that you’d like to have back in Windows 11. I’ll prioritize implementing the most requested features as Windhawk mods. For each implemented feature, the page will be updated to reflect the current status.

Voting can be done in two ways, simple voting and a donation. I added the donation option to be able to give extra priority to votes of users who wish to support the project with a donation. To vote with a donation, add the feature hashtag to the donation comment like this. Donations are a great motivating factor (thanks!), and I think that letting supporters decide where to focus first is a nice perk.

Feature Votes Donations Status
Tweaker icon Right click: Standard window menu
Tweaker icon Middle click: Switch to / Minimize / Close ✔️ Partial
Tweaker icon Dropping: Open with
Tweaker icon Hovering: List / Tooltip / Nothing
Tweaker icon Thumbnails: Drag to reorder ✅ Done
Tweaker icon Thumbnails: Left click on the active thumbnail minimizes the window
Tweaker icon Pinned items: Remove extra gap between items
Tweaker icon Pinned items: Open with double click ✅ Done
Tweaker icon Grouping: Don’t group ✅ Done
Tweaker icon Grouping: When not grouping, place new items next to the existing ones ✅ Done
Tweaker icon Grouping: Don’t group pinned items ✅ Done
Tweaker icon Grouping: Drag within/between groups using right mouse button
Tweaker icon Left click on combined item: Cycle through windows
Tweaker icon Mouse wheel: Cycle between taskbar buttons ✅ Done
Tweaker icon Minimize/restore when mouse is over: Taskbar buttons / Thumbnails ✅ Done
Tweaker icon Control volume when mouse is over: The taskbar / The notification area ✅ Done
Tweaker icon Customize double/middle click on empty space ✅ Done
Tweaker icon Hide the Start button
Tweaker icon Hide the “Show desktop” button
Tweaker icon Display seconds on the tray clock ✅ Done
Tweaker icon Reserve empty space on taskbar
Tweaker icon Change the size of taskbar icons ✅ Done
Tweaker icon Taskbar Inspector
Tweaker icon Change padding between tray icons ✅ Done
Windows icon Decombine taskbar buttons
Windows icon Show labels in taskbar buttons ✅ Done
Windows icon Taskbar on the top of the screen
Windows icon Taskbar on the side of the screen
Windows icon Open Taskbar Manager via right click
Windows icon Taskbar with multiple rows

If a feature that you’d like to see in Windows 11 is not in the table, please let me know in the comments below.

Posted in Software, Updates by Michael (Ramen Software) on May 2nd, 2022.
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279 Responses to “Windhawk mods for the Windows 11 taskbar”

  1. Gomez Golez says:

    please make a mod for remove the gap between items, when i reduce the icon size, it looks hideous. thank you.

  2. Marc says:

    I still use to classic context menu in the Taskbar because “x Close” is directly where I need it.
    Could you add a mod to move the modern context menu closer to the mouse like the classic context menu?

  3. George says:

    Appreciate this might be a bit out of scope for Windhawk, but it would be ace if you had a mod that does something similar to Mouse Jiggler

    https://github.com/arkane-systems/mousejiggler

    • That seems to be less of a fit for a Windhawk mod, as it doesn’t customize another program, it’s a standalone program which does something on its own.

    • kindlin says:

      You can find many small AutoIt3 scripts that do something like this. I’ll copy my 20-ish lines of code below, you can just run the script or compile it for use on a computer without AI3 installed.

      The code itself is fairly self-explanatory, if you wanted to port it over to any other program you prefer.

      $timeStep = 4.9  ; minutes
      
      HotKeySet("!{CAPSLOCK}", "NoSleep")
      HotKeySet("!+{CAPSLOCK}", "AllowSleep")
      HotKeySet("!+^{CAPSLOCK}", "EndSleepFunc")
      
      AllowSleep()
      
      Func NoSleep()
          ToolTip('No Sleep Activated', 0, 0)
          Sleep(1000)
          ToolTip("")
          While 1
              Sleep($timeStep<em>60</em>1000) ; miliseconds
              Send("{CAPSLOCK}")
              Sleep(20)
              Send("{CAPSLOCK}")
          WEnd
      EndFunc
      
      Func AllowSleep()
          ToolTip('Sleep Allowed', 0, 0)
          Sleep(1000)
          ToolTip("")
          While 1
              Sleep(1000)
          WEnd
      EndFunc
      
      Func EndSleepFunc()
          ToolTip('Exiting...', 0, 0)
          Sleep(1000)
          ToolTip("")
          Exit
      EndFunc
      
  4. Sebas says:

    I need the option “Drag To Reorder” for the Thumbnails. Actually is not working con windows 11. Is it possible that you can fix it to work on win 11?

    Ty in advanced

    Sebas

  5. KrisK says:

    Can you confirm that “Hovering: List / Tooltip / Nothing” would show a text list of opened windows of the app icon hovered over, like 7+TT in Windows 10?

    Especially important for Firefox (show windows list, not tabs list). I’d gladly donate for that!

  6. Leafblower says:

    Previously when Shift-Rightclicking on a group (e.g. File Explorers) and choosing minimize, it would minimize all windows of the group.
    Currently only one window (I think the last active one) will be minimized.

    Feature Request:
    Grouping: Minimize in group context menu minimizes all its windows.

  7. crazycat says:

    Could you add a feature to support a multi-line taskbar like in prior versions of Windows, so that when there are many programs open their buttons can spread across multiple lines? I’d like to make a donation and vote for that one while I’m at it.

    Regardless, thank you for the work you’ve done on both 7TT and Windhawk. I’ve been using 7TT for a long time.

    I tested using 7TT with Start11, but the 7TT options didn’t work until I also installed ExplorerPatcher. Is that what you’d expect? I was confused as Start11 and ExplorerPatcher seem very similar so I thought either one would suffice for 7TT to work.

    • Could you add a feature to support a multi-line taskbar

      Thanks for the suggestion, added it to the list so it’s now possible to vote for it. It’s not a simple feature to implement, but I’ll consider looking at it if there’s enough interest.

      I tested using 7TT with Start11, but the 7TT options didn’t work until I also installed ExplorerPatcher. Is that what you’d expect?

      I’m not familiar enough with Start11. I only know that by default ExplorerPatcher restores the old Windows 10 taskbar and 7+ Taskbar Tweaker can work with it.

    • Pray+Press says:

      ExplorerPatcher is a blessing itself, if you want the Taskbar to look like W/10, and combined with 7TT it enables customization that MS should provide by default, in my opinion.

  8. Timothy says:

    Would it be possible to add tray_icons_padding to the wishlist? I used that advanced setting on Win10 to reduce the space between tray icons. The taskbar label mod lets you set padding around the taskbar items, but not tray items.

    • Added to the list under “Change padding between tray icons”.

    • Greg says:

      Until a more convenient mod is made, this can be implemented using Michael’s “Windows 11 Taskbar Styler Mod” which is in the explore list in Windhawk.

      Copy/merge/overwrite the following xaml rules into the Advanced tab, Mod Settings text box and hit save. (Include the curly brackets. You should not have to restart windows explorer if using the latest version of the mod) You can adjust the values as you see fit. I have my taskbar height at 36px and icon size at 20px so the values i used here may not apply for your use case. I included “comment” fields so you know what the selectors modify. These are ignored when ran.

      (Windows version: 22H2 – 22621.2134)

      {
          "promptForExplorerRestart": 0,
          "controlStyles[0].target": "systemtray:TextIconContent",
          "controlStyles[0].styles[0]": "Width=20",
          "controlStyles[0].styles[1]": "Comment - network, volume, battery: requires systemtray:TextIconContent > Grid",
          "controlStyles[1].target": "systemtray:TextIconContent > Grid",
          "controlStyles[1].styles[0]": "Padding=0,0,0,0",
          "controlStyles[1].styles[1]": "Comment - network, volume, battery: requires systemtray:TextIconContent",
          "controlStyles[2].target": "systemtray:NotifyIconView#NotifyItemIcon",
          "controlStyles[2].styles[0]": "Width=24",
          "controlStyles[2].styles[1]": "MinWidth=0",
          "controlStyles[2].styles[2]": "Comment - regular app icons, doesn't seem to have issue with overflow or arrow icon",
          "controlStyles[3].target": "systemtray:Stack#NonActivatableStack",
          "controlStyles[3].styles[0]": "Margin=-7,0,-7,0",
          "controlStyles[3].styles[1]": "Comment - onscreen keyboard, untested if other icons show up in group?"
      }
      

      Huge thanks to Michael for creating UWPSpy! – some selectors don’t seem to play nice, but I managed to find ones that work. There may be others that work, but it took long enough to get these ones…

      • Jason King says:

        Im not the sharpest tool in the shed, but would these targets allow for changing the color of the systray icons? I use the light mode in Windows 11 so the text appears black in the systray and I want to change it to a different color.

      • Dook says:

        Styles will not be applied to icons loaded after windhawk.

  9. Brandon Craig says:

    Can you add the ability to bring back the Windows 10 “People” icon in the taskbar? You forgot to add this to the table.

  10. napo says:

    plz add option to add taskbar on the side and to be NOT on top of other windows

    that means that a window can be dragged OVER ON TOP of taskbar

    also when a window lets say a game is double clicked and switch to full screen window it will take the whole screen and not just the screen minus taskbaer

    i believe these options exist in the right click advanced settings of 7tt with a bunch of optioons as numbers

    default is 0 and u can try 1 for on top and 2 for on top and allow full screen

    thanks

    • Thom says:

      You are right, the ‘always on top’ behavior of win11 taskbar is very annoyng.
      It will be a great thing if could be disabled with WindHawk, without installling any other programs or be forced to change the bar appearence. I wish you good work with that, Micheal.

      And great thanks for your old 7tt tool 😉

  11. Marcin_PL_ says:

    Please make taskbar like in macOS. No taskabr on left and right from Start menu and pinned programs. Just wallpaper.

  12. Sudhir says:

    I reinstall Windows 11 today and downloaded 7+ Taskbar Tweaker, but to my surprise, it is not working now, all the settings are greyed, I can not select them. Although until yesterday, it was working fine on Windows 11 for me.
    Do I need to install some earlier version of 7+ taskbar tweaker? If yes, please share the link.

    I read the above articles and according to my understanding, I need to install Windhawk now, and for each setting I need to install extra mods.
    In some replies it was mentioned to use Explorer patcher also.
    Please clarify what to use now and share the proper download links of them. I still don’t understand why suddenly 7+ (great work) is not working today inspite you are doing regular updates for it.

  13. Ed Hard says:

    Hello,

    after last update of “Disable Grouping”-Mod, not only the bug is solved, it finally behaves in most important details same as with 7taskbartweaker on indows 10 and I simply want to say THANKS!

  14. que says:

    I’ve been using 7 T T for a very long time, but I’m tired of the old win 10 interface. I started using Windhawk on , but I ran into the problem of thumbnails (sketches). When using the “do not group” mod, the thumbnails on the taskbar remain very much in the way. Is it possible to remove them through Windhawk ? how was it on 7TT or did I not find it in Windhawk ?
    I wrote through a translator, if it is not clear, here is a screenshot of the 7tt settings that I do not know how to turn.
    https://i.imgur.com/9LT6TZs.png
    thanks

  15. Max says:

    Would be great to see some mod, or an option in one of existing mods, to reduce taskbar padding around running apps. Right now each running program’s button has some spacing on top and bottom, which reduces the visual size of it — I would like them to take 100% of taskbar height.

    • Max says:

      Maybe it makes sense to be added to the existing module “Taskbar Labels for Windows 11”, which already provides option for horizontal (left/right) padding between buttons?

      • “Taskbar Labels for Windows 11” does something simple, it allows to control the padding, but it doesn’t affect the rest of the UI. Look at the image below. “Taskbar Labels for Windows 11” allows to control the green spacing, and I assume you want to control the red spacing. Part of it can be controlled in a similar way, but the orange part is more challenging as the button UI has to be changed.

        https://i.imgur.com/uMQVdyp.png

        If you’re OK with only controlling the non-orange part, you can use Taskbar height and icon size and increase the icon size or decrease the taskbar height.

        • Max says:

          Oh, and orange part is the one I was talking about… At first I thought that the new “Windows 11 Taskbar Styler” would allow to easily reduce this vertical padding around tiles, but I couldn’t really find the variable for that

          • Windows 11 Taskbar Styler can help. You can reduce the padding as following:
            Target: taskbar:TaskListButtonPanel#IconPanel
            Style: Padding=2,0,2,0

            The original value is 2,4,2,4 for left,top,right,bottom padding.

            • Max says:

              Wow, this is exactly what I wanted! Huge thanks!!!

              The only problem is, it’s not applied to Start menu button, perhaps it needs a separate style selector?

              • Yes.

                Target: taskbar:TaskListButtonPanel#ExperienceToggleButtonRootPanel

                Default padding: Padding=12,4,2,4

                Note that it will also affect other buttons, if you have any, such as Task View, and they might have different left and right padding, which means that you’ll have to pick a single value for all buttons while using this method.

                • Max says:

                  Super, that’s just perfect! I love my taskbar appearance 100% more now. I wish there was a place where people could share awesome style snippets like this, I could not really comprehed how to get all these selectors…

                  Could you please help me with one last selector — corner radius for the Start menu button? Just to make it fit with the “square task buttons” style included in the mod.

                  • I could not really comprehed how to get all these selectors…

                    I’m working on a tool to help with that. Keep an eye on the blog announcements!

                    Could you please help me with one last selector — corner radius for the Start menu button?

                    Try this. It might also affect other elements since the name “BackgroundElement” is quite generic, but that’s the best that can be done with the current version of Taskbar Styler. I plan on improving it in the future to allow more specific targets.
                    Target: Border#BackgroundElement
                    Style: CornerRadius=0

  16. m says:

    I’ve been using 7+ taskbar for years solely to make the show/hide/peek desktop button larger, would love to be able to do this in win 11.

  17. Mechanic says:

    It’s certainly not the most urgent thing to do, but would you consider setting the time and date in ONE row?

  18. Chris says:

    Sorry if this has already been asked…how about the option to change to classic style task switcher? I like the icon style instead of thumbnail, and I don’t like how it changes what is shown on the screen when cycling through the options. Does any solution exist for this already?

  19. Carls says:

    If I understand correctly, the only way I can currently have the taskbar on the right side in Win 11 is to use 7+Taskbar tweaker combing Explorer Patcher (use the win10 style) right? Since the Windhawk has not implemented this function yet.

    Also, thanks a lot for your effort in developing such amazing tools!

  20. Ed says:

    “Grouping: Don’t group pinned items” should be listed as “Partial” not “Done”, because the “Disable grouping on the taskbar” mod doesn’t let you disable grouping pinned items without disabling grouping entirely.

    • The mod has an exclusion list, and I wanted to add a mode that will allow to use an inclusion list instead, so that no ungrouping will take place except for a custom (possibly empty) list of processes. You’re technically right that it makes the implementation “Partial”, but that also applies to other options, such as the labels mod which doesn’t allow to control it per process. Since most mods re-implement the functionality, there are often small gaps, and I feel that marking most of them as “Partial” is not very productive if they provide the desired functionality for the vast majority of the users.

      • Ed says:

        Even if it was an inclusion list instead of an exclusion list, I still wouldn’t be able to only exclude the pinned icon from being grouped, it would still disable the grouping of running instances of that program. I said it should be listed as “Partial” because 7+ Taskbar Tweaker allowed grouping icons for a program but excluding the pinned icon, so that pinned items could work like they were just the quick launch toolbar. I would just use the quick launch toolbar as a solution but microsoft didn’t include toolbars in the new taskbar.

        • I added a new option to the Disable grouping on the taskbar mod, “Pinned items remain in place, group running instances”, which keeps pinned items separated from running instances, while keeping the running instances grouped together.

  21. Skøllgrim says:

    I am a staunch user of the taskbar tweaker functionality to switch to the window located to the left/right on the taskbar (value 101 and 102 in the advanced settings). I absolutely despise how the default cycling works in windows, so one of the first things I always do after installing windows is to install the taskbar tweaker and setting ALT+tab to cycle right and ALT+caps to cycle left.

    I don’t suppose this can be implemented with Windhawk?

    • Actually, it is implemented as part of the Cycle taskbar buttons with mouse wheel mod. Despite the name, keyboard shortcuts can also be configured. Note that the mod only works for Windows 11. For Windows 10, it’s best to keep using 7+ Taskbar Tweaker.

    • Victor says:

      How did you do this? I tried the name-data pair (0x09|alt, 102), but it did not work.

      • Skøllgrim says:

        Hi Victor, from what I can tell you seem to have done the correct steps.

        Just to be sure, I’ll write what I’ve done: In the 7+ taskbar tweaker go under advanced settings (right click systray icon) – keyboard shortcuts and add:
        Name: 0x09|alt-norepeat
        Data: 102

        What I believe might be your problem is that it seems to depend on which type of task switcher you have enabled. I remember using ExplorerPatcher and switching window/task switcher to classic for it properly work. A simple search for “enable classic alt+tab dialog in windows 11” seems to yield results as to how to achieve this with a simple regedit as well.

        Best of luck!

  22. Yves says:

    The feature “Hide the “Show desktop” button” is already included in Windows 11 now, so probably no need to redo this here.

  23. Twisted_Code says:

    Longtime user here (and I think one time donator? I know I’ve at least contributed half decent threads on the user voice):
    what exactly is WindHawk and how do I get started with it? I just heard about it now when trying to find an alternative to ExplorerPatcher for my Windows 11 laptop (it came with Windows 11 unfortunately, and more unfortunately an automatic update broke the taskview button. I commented about this here: https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher/discussions/2013#discussioncomment-6956264), and if that works better for you, I’m all for it, ESPECIALLY if it’s less likely to make Windows start imitating a laptop-shaped mass of silicon dioxide building material (otherwise known as a brick) in the event of another nonconsensual update :rolling_eyes:

  24. Andy Lewis says:

    Possibly replace the infuriating taskbar internet icon & options in win 11 with those from Win10?

    Thanks

  25. Quesito says:

    Can you add the mod add Disable taskbar thumbnail preview.?
    Thank you.

  26. Claudio says:

    Hello everyone,
    I don’t know if it has already been requested, but would it be possible to change the virtual desktop icon to show the number of the desktop I’m currently in? Or any other indication in the taskbar with the name of the desktop? I can change the desktop background so that it is different between desktops, but if a window is maximised it would cover it and I often get confused.

  27. m1lhaus says:

    Hello Michael,
    thank you so much for your work. I don’t know whether it was already discussed, but would it be possible to implement “Show all tray icons” feature? The feature that was removed in Windows 11. I absolutely hate having to go to taskbar settings every time the system sees a new tray icon to make it visible. Thanks

  28. kindlin says:

    I just want to comment here and say thank you for all the hard work on this. Taskbar Tweaker is one of my top required softwares for using my computer the way I want to use my computer. After reading all of these comments, it seems like when/if I move on to W11, I’ll have to fight windows even more than in W10.

  29. Marco says:

    “Minimize/restore when mouse is over” doesn’t work anymore in Windows 11 22H2 22621.2361… Why?

  30. MIKE says:

    I’m very sad to see that 7+TT isn’t compatible with Win 11 without using the old taskbar. One function that I used daily in 7+TT was the double-click taskbar to mute and unmute sounds. That’s been extremely useful and I don’t see it on the update list. Is there any chance it might be implemented in Windhawk?

    Thank you for all you do to make things easier 🙂

  31. Francis says:

    Thanks so much for your work on this—my workflow relies heavily on the ability to reorder thumbnails.

    Two requests, if possible:

    (1) I know this is a heavier lift, but it would be amazing if the taskbar could be moved to the side. On Windows 10 I used this all the time on landscape monitors to maximize vertical space, and I really miss it now that I’ve moved to Windows 11.

    (2) This is less important to me, but is there any chance of restoring the ability to pin files to taskbar jump lists by drag-and-drop (rather than having to open each one and then pin)?

    Thanks again for doing all the work that Microsoft should have done…

    • You’re welcome 🙂

      (1) I have plans to look at it at some point, but as you mentioned, it’s not a simple task so it’s difficult to say how easy it’s going to be.

      (2) I might look at it one day, but it’s not a priority, there are many things that I’d like to look at before this one, including the vertical taskbar.

  32. Baron says:

    Hi Michael

    Firstly I need to add mine to the plethora of voices singing your praise and thanking you so much for the fantastic work you have and continue to put in to improving the experience that so many regularly have upon their PCs. I have used 7+tt for many years and you have turned the teethgrinding qualities of several aspects of interaction for me into a much appreciated pleasure. Thank you for all you do.

    I have just switched to Win11. On the 21H2 version I found the loss of the Start Menu tiles grouping feature had me disliking Win11 immediately. But I became aware of the OS version update which supplied a return in a different form of that useful ability by the self creation of folders.
    But I still have big Win10 loss issues and resultantly found out about your Windhawk project. Brilliant! Have now installed several of the mods. And I am loving their existence. If ever accomplished the reduction of space between the pinned icons it would once again be welcomed with arms wide open.

    But i would like another feature that has been lost in the transition from Win10 to please be included in your aspiritional mods list:

    the Taskbar Toolbars facility.

    I have used the Desktop toolbar frequently and on a daily basis appreciated an external prog that was integrated into the Taskbar thanks to that Toolbars enablement/inclusion facility.
    That toolbar most missed by me is Networx, a data monitor prog with a customizable real-time in&out data flow graph that I permanently embedded in the Taskbar. It was so helpful/informative. If you are unfamiliar with this prog, it is here: https://www.softperfect.com/products/networx/

    Please add the Taskbar Toolbars facility to your list of potential mod implementations if it is possible for that feature to be returned for users.

    And thanks once again for your amazing valued work.

    • Hi Baron,

      Thank you for the feedback, I’m glad that you like Windhawk!

      Unfortunately, reimplementing toolbar support for the Windows 11 taskbar will require a significant effort, and since it’s not a highly requested feature and there are so many other things I’d like to accomplish first, it’s unlikely that I’m going to look at it anytime soon, sorry.

  33. Ryan Penfold says:

    Hey Michael,

    Thank you so much for your work!

    A feature I would like to see on Windhawk, is the equivalent of 7+ Taskbar Tweaker’s “when not grouping, place new items next to the existing ones”. (Forgive me if you’ve listed this already with a different name.) I hope you are able to implement this in the near future.

    Kind regards,

    Ryan

  34. blish says:

    Thank you for the progress you’ve done since I last checked the mods.I’ve been using 7+tt with classic taskbar to keep the functionality, and I just checked the mods and almost everything I used is already here.

    If I could make a request here regarding one of the mods, the one which allows middle/double click on empty taskbar space is great, but It’s missing the ability to also use other mouse buttons, like mouse4/5, and to run custom command, which we do with the help of registry in 7+tt.

  35. blish says:

    I already commented once, but figured I should make a new comment for another request.

    I use eartrumpet, which replaces the functionality of the native volume slider, so it would be great if it was possible to decouple or selectively hide the wifi/volume icons. Actually now that I think about it, beign able to actually move the wifi/volume, language bar and so on, would be a great feature also.

    Thank you for your work.

  36. Leonelsr says:

    Hello!

    I miss being able to hide labels in a per program basis. Would be great to know that’s on some roadmap, or this list, or something….

    That’s something to expect on Taskbar Inspector, sure. But could we have it earlier? Do we at least know it’s feasible?

    Best regards, thanks!

  37. Yaniv says:

    Hey Michael,

    Thank you so much for your work!

    A feature I would like to see on Windhawk, is the “sort group items”

    Thanks again,

    Yaniv

  38. Cor says:

    I really only used 7+tt for one feature: remove space between QuickLaunch icons.

    Please ad this to your list!

  39. Carl Johnson says:

    Meh, the only reason i use Windhawk is the option to close apps with middle click but that no longer working :/

  40. Your software (Windhawk) is great, specifically the Taskbar Height and Icon Size mod; I just wanted to say thank you for building something that used to be quite available strictly within Windows. Without curious, clever, and tenacious people like you, my 23+ professional years in IT would be a much more frustrating place. 🙂

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